From sentto-44114-23711-1106350274-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jan 21 15:31:53 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:31:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.49]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cs8Fl-0001dC-Jm for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:31:45 -0800 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2005 23:31:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.28] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2005 23:31:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: a.rosta@v21.me.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67412 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 23:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2005 23:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO heineken.flexi-surf.co.uk) (62.41.128.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 23:31:12 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([217.140.38.70]) by heineken.flexi-surf.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0LLP1S16921 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:25:01 GMT Message-ID: <003f01c50011$426b4ee0$ab370751@oemcomputer> To: References: <20050120152620.GF3649@fysh.org> <20050121150218.91951.qmail@web41902.mail.yahoo.com> <20050121190549.GA17449@fysh.org> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.41.128.20 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:24:39 -0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: outer and inner quantifiers on "le" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 9302 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@v21.me.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list > Jorge Llambías wrote: > >PA1 fi'u PA2 is PA1 out of every PA2 of the > >referents of "". > > a'unai. Nasty overloading. How does one override that interpretation, > to be able to express a fraction of a referent using {fi'u}? > > -zefram IMO {pi mu lei broda} should be equivalent to {(pa) fi'u re lei broda}, for nonequivalence might seem an insult to mathematics (though admittedly the existence of the mathematically suspect locution "pi ro" might imply nonequivalence -- but I would rather abolish "pi ro" as incoherent). But also IMO, {pa lei broda} would best be seen as an abbreviation of {pa fi'u ro lei broda}, "one out of all the broda". So it would follow that {pa fi'u re lei pa no no broda} should mean "one out of every two of the hundred broda", and then so should "pi mu lei pa no no broda". --And. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater? Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/TzSHvD/SOnJAA/79vVAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/