From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Sat Jan 22 07:27:43 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:27:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from web41901.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.152]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CsNAm-0007r0-GM for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:27:36 -0800 Received: (qmail 60564 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jan 2005 15:27:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20050122152705.60562.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.40.201.142] by web41901.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:27:05 PST Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:27:05 -0800 (PST) From: Jorge "Llambías" Subject: [lojban] Re: outer and inner quantifiers on "le" To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <003f01c50011$426b4ee0$ab370751@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 9309 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --- And: > IMO {pi mu lei broda} should be equivalent to {(pa) fi'u re > lei broda}, for nonequivalence might seem an insult to mathematics > (though admittedly the existence of the mathematically suspect > locution "pi ro" might imply nonequivalence -- but I would rather > abolish "pi ro" as incoherent). But also IMO, {pa lei broda} would > best be seen as an abbreviation of {pa fi'u ro lei broda}, "one out > of all the broda". So it would follow that {pa fi'u re lei pa no no > broda} should mean "one out of every two of the hundred broda", and > then so should "pi mu lei pa no no broda". Right, you wouldn't admit fractions of broda at all, just fractions of numbers of broda. But it is very hard to not interpret {pa pi mu lo plise} as one and a half apples. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail