From sentto-44114-23771-1106780897-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jan 26 15:08:58 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.24]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CtwHL-0008Kh-4t for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:08:51 -0800 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2005 23:08:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.156] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2005 23:08:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: jorne@eubot.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44018 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2005 23:08:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2005 23:08:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao10.cox.net) (68.230.240.29) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2005 23:08:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [70.179.101.17]) by lakermmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050126230812.OUEE1657.lakermmtao10.cox.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:08:12 -0500 Message-ID: <41F822DB.3030202@eubot.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: lojban@yahoogroups.com References: <20050126132740.61853.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> <20050126194142.GT20235@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <41F80A9A.6020106@eubot.com> <20050126213417.GL20235@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <6862c94d793e32d6c4fd70874e40074c@online.fr> <20050126222649.GO20235@chain.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.240.29 From: Brian Eubanks X-Yahoo-Profile: eubanksb MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:08:11 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: minimal lojban Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 9362 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jorne@eubot.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Now take a look at N3 (which is a syntax for RDF)... http://w3c.org/2000/10/swap/Primer.html And you'll see how well it matches what we did with the "triplification" of Lojban. Adam D. Lopresto wrote: >>>>>>2. Reduce each Lojban utterance into a collection of binary >>>>>>(2-sumti) predicates. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Can you tell me how that works with, say, "da klama de di mi do" >>>>>? >>>>> >>>>> >>>Why wouldn't it just be something like >>> >>>A isa klama-instance >>>A first-sumti B >>>A second-sumti C >>>A third-sumti D >>>A fourth-sumti E >>>A fifth-sumti F >>> >>> >>Because "Reduce each Lojban utterance into a collection of >>binary(2-sumti) predicates." would preclude that. Hence my >>question. Why they're doing it that way, I don't know. >> >> > >I can see how it would work the other way, but I don't think that rules out >what I wrote. Translating my example into (probably slightly broken) lojban. > >.i abu. du'u klama >.i by. pavyselsu'i abu. >.i cy. relselsu'i abu. >.i dy. cibyselsu'i abu. >.i ebu. vonselsu'i abu. >.i fy. mumselsu'i abu. > >where {ko'a pavyselsu'i ko'e} is basically {ko'e sumti ko'a li pa}, and is the >the same as "first-sumti" relationship given above. So "A" is the entire >klama instance, and we relate it to each of the sumti that fill in places in >it. Notice that in the "tavla" example, even though we were filling in two >places, we never said "A tavla B", but rather that "A isa tavla-instance", >"A's first sumti is B", etc. > >At least, I thought I understood, for a brief moment there... > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater? Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/TzSHvD/SOnJAA/79vVAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/