From phma@ixazon.dynip.com Mon Feb 07 15:11:44 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from phma.hn.org ([216.189.113.165] helo=blackcat.ixazon.lan) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CyI2a-00027g-T9 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:11:37 -0800 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B2B15B567; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:11:04 +0000 (UTC) From: Pierre Abbat Organization: dis To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] {fu'ivla} has too few places Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 18:11:02 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502071811.02209.phma@phma.hn.org> X-archive-position: 9442 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.hn.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list {fu'ivla} as defined in noralujv has four places: 1. the word of foreign origin 2. the meaning 3. the language 4. the word in the foreign language. It is unclear whether x3 is the language the fu'ivla is in or the language it came from, and in which language x2 is the meaning (which can be quite different; e.g. "Handy" in German means "cellphone"). I think the word needs two more places. phma -- We light this candle to the tin between new and voice.