From sentto-44114-23918-1109183957-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 10:40:01 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:40:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.24]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D41QL-0007Zk-Nw for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:39:49 -0800 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2005 18:39:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.29] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2005 18:39:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: jorne@eubot.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91638 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2005 18:39:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2005 18:39:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao11.cox.net) (68.230.240.28) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2005 18:39:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [70.179.101.17]) by lakermmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050223183850.JZGF17120.lakermmtao11.cox.net@[127.0.0.1]>; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:38:50 -0500 Message-ID: <421CCDBA.7010204@eubot.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: lojban@yahoogroups.com, lojban-java@yahoogroups.com References: <41E57613.7060606@users.sourceforge.net> <20050222210350.GA6994@mit.edu> <421BE620.8050100@eubot.com> <200502231703.j1NH3NTd022802@mole.e-mol.com> In-Reply-To: <200502231703.j1NH3NTd022802@mole.e-mol.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.240.28 From: Brian Eubanks X-Yahoo-Profile: eubanksb MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:38:50 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: Presentation, visual aid grammar diagrams Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 9517 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jorne@eubot.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Be sure to mention my Lojban-related open-source project (jorne.org) in your presentation. :-) I'll eventually need more developers to help with it. I think it would be really cool to have a Lojban text editor that was grammar-aware and created a semantic network graphic as text is entered into the editor. Or even lets people write Lojban by dragging and dropping words or concepts into the net. This would be a good learning tool too. (It could also work the other way, creating a graphic representation of any imported Lojban text, or from a URL.) I am tentatively calling this editor the Lojban Semantic Visualizer (lojvis? Lojbo Viska? Anyone have better ideas for a catchy project name in lojban?). I was thinking about adding this as a sub-project to the Jorne project, because it's the same basic idea (of mapping semantic networks to Lojban). Would anyone here be interested in using an editor like that? If so, I'll start working on the framework once my free time returns. I've actually got bits and pieces of it already, from the RDF work I've been doing (and Robin's parser helps a lot too). Matt: I did a similar graphic in a post not too long ago, treating a Lojban sentence as a semantic network. Example sentence was: le prenu cu tavla le skami Subject line was Re: [lojban] Re: minimal lojban If you find it helpful, feel free to use any derivative of the earlier graphic. If you don't have access to it, let me know by private e-mail and I'll send it to you. Best Regards, la iuban (Cross-posting to lojban-java) Matt Arnold wrote: >For a presentation that I'm giving on Lojban, I'd like to ask this group two questions. > >#1, Since I'll be presenting to a group of open-source computer programmers, they might be tempted to join the Lojban community if I show them a list of interesting applications that they could make. What are the skills most needed, and the programs most needed? What opportunities are currently available for group development of Lojban-related software? > >#2, For the visual presentation, I'd like to make graphics inspired by the illustration in CLL chapter 12 depicting a type of tinkertoy construction set. I intend to lean heavily on functional elegance from an engineering standpoint-- the concept of Lojban as a sophisticated toolkit. I wonder if I could extend this visual metaphor of modular parts to explain the basics of gismu, cmavo and place structures in a lojban sentence. Have any of you made drawings of this nature? > >When I was first beginning in Lojban, I recalled the grammar diagrams we used to do in English class to identify parts of speech. I thought about actually cutting pieces out of wood to represent gismu. When a block with a gismu written on it was employed as a selbri, the segments depicting the meanings x1, x2 etc. would telescope out to became sumti bays. In these bays you could slot other blocks. Cmavo pegs could work as "adapters" with specialized ends that restricted their attachment to proper grammatical use. Reading further, I came to realize that's insanely complicated for a variety of reasons. It was impractical to physically implement, but I still think there might be a potential to make grammar diagrams as flash animations this way. At least it might work for the simplest beginner sentences. > >-la epcat > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> In low income neighborhoods, 84% do not own computers. At Network for Good, help bridge the Digital Divide! http://us.click.yahoo.com/EA3HyD/3MnJAA/79vVAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! 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