From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Mar 18 04:56:21 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:56:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DCH1I-0004rU-PM for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:56:04 -0800 Received: from n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.28]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DCH13-0004pg-EG for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:56:04 -0800 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2005 12:54:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.30] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2005 12:54:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: xah@xahlee.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68198 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2005 12:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2005 12:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xahlee.org) (206.130.99.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2005 12:54:57 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-169-125-84.client.comcast.net [67.169.125.84]) (authenticated) by xahlee.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j2ICrwf24067 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:53:58 -0700 Message-Id: <44275d07f070dd249c78acf2c8fd2536@xahlee.org> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Originating-IP: 206.130.99.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: xah lee X-Yahoo-Profile: p0lyglut MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:49:53 -0800 Subject: [lojban] lojban ills: implicit emphasis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 9599 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xah@xahlee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list while studying lojban, i find it less and less of my rather ignorant original expectations. (however, i still find studying it greatly fruitful and has useful applications) anyway, here's one snippet of reasons that just came to me, and i thought i'd just throw it out to the open. For example, one can use different ordering to say the same thing but with different emphasis, e.g. do vecnu ta mi ta se vecnu do mi means the same thing but with different emphasis. Now, lojban claims to be isomorphic this or that or logic and explicit semantic this or that, but here there is a implicit meaning attached to emphasis. As a manner of speaking, we may ask, why didn't lojban provide some mechanism to indicate emphasis, instead of using the rather implicit and undefined emphasis attached to ordering? Xah xah@xahlee.org http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/more.html ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> In low income neighborhoods, 84% do not own computers. At Network for Good, help bridge the Digital Divide! http://us.click.yahoo.com/EA3HyD/3MnJAA/79vVAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/