From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Mar 26 08:19:40 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:19:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DFE0a-0000Vb-O8 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:19:32 -0800 Received: from n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.28]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DFE0Y-0000Uq-Fc for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 08:19:32 -0800 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2005 16:18:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.193] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2005 16:18:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: ben@goertzel.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16156 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2005 16:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2005 16:18:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO intelligenesiscorp.com) (208.234.8.229) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2005 16:18:53 -0000 Received: from zombiethustra (pcp06586041pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [69.140.24.121]) by intelligenesiscorp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j2QGIpWd020099 for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:18:52 -0500 To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <925d1756050326080320e5d54@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 208.234.8.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Ben Goertzel" X-Yahoo-Profile: bgoertzel MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:18:58 -0500 Subject: [lojban] odd humor Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0438_01C531F5.9AE19230" X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 9658 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ben@goertzel.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list ------=_NextPart_000_0438_01C531F5.9AE19230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit One thing is certain -- among the creators of the Lojban vocabulary were some folks with a childish but sometimes good sense of humor, using puns that combine Lojban pronunciation with English typography... For instance dog = gerku ??? (my wife, a dog-lover, doesn't like that one...) I eat meat == me citka le rectu (kinda graphic, no?? ... ;p) -- ben g -----Original Message----- From: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org]On Behalf Of Jorge Llambías Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 11:04 AM To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Re[2]: tanru pc: > First, {mutce} is "x1 is > extreme in property x2 in direction x3" so it is > unclear whether the elephant is extrme in eating > too much or in eating too little. Very much or very little, because {mutce} doesn't indicate excess, that would be {dukse}. I have never seen {mutce} used in the sense of "very little" though, and if someone uses it with that sense it's very likely they will be misunderstood. I don't know why the two senses were conflated in the same word. I always use {toltce/tolmutce} for "very little". What's the point of having one word (and an extremely frequent one too) with two such opposite senses? > Second, I am not clear just what > the *property* of eating is or how it can be > extreme. One expects to see an event description > here in most cases. If you use an event in the x2 of mutce, what do you put in the x1? All the degree words (mutce, milxe, dukse, traji) and the comparison words (dunli, frica, zmadu, mleca) require a property. > Still, I would feel safer with {poi dukse le nu > citka}, "who eats too much." I would use {lo ka [ce'u] citka}, either with {mutce} or {dukse}. If you put {le nu citka} in x2, how do you know what role the x1 of mutce/dukse plays in that event? mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------=_NextPart_000_0438_01C531F5.9AE19230 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
One=20 thing is certain -- among the creators of the Lojban vocabulary were some f= olks=20 with a childish but sometimes good sense of humor, using puns that combine= =20 Lojban pronunciation with English typography...
 
For=20 instance
 
dog =3D gerku   ???  (my wife, a dog-lover, do= esn't=20 like that one...)
 
I eat=20 meat =3D=3D me citka le rectu  (kinda graphic, no?? ...=20  ;p)
 
-- ben=20 g
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org]On= =20 Behalf Of Jorge Llamb=EDas
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 1= 1:04=20 AM
To: lojban@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [lojban] Re: R= e[2]:=20 tanru

pc:
> First, {mutce} is "x1 is
>= ;=20 extreme in property x2 in direction x3" so it is
> unclear whether = the=20 elephant is extrme in eating
> too much or in eating too little.=20

Very much or very little, because {mutce} doesn't indicate
exc= ess,=20 that would be {dukse}.

I have never seen {mutce} used in the sense= of=20 "very little"
though, and if someone uses it with that sense it's ver= y=20 likely
they will be misunderstood. I don't know why the two senses=20
were conflated in the same word. I always use {toltce/tolmutce}
f= or=20 "very little". What's the point of having one word (and an
extremely= =20 frequent one too) with two such opposite senses?

>  = =20 Second, I am not clear just what
> the *property* of eating is or h= ow it=20 can be
> extreme.  One expects to see an event description
= >=20 here in most cases.

If you use an event in the x2 of mutce, what = do=20 you put in the x1?

All the degree words (mutce, milxe, dukse, traj= i)=20 and the comparison
words (dunli, frica, zmadu, mleca) require a proper= ty.=20

> Still, I would feel safer with {poi dukse le nu
> citk= a},=20 "who eats too much."

I would use {lo ka [ce'u] citka}, either with= =20 {mutce} or {dukse}.

If you put {le nu citka} in x2, how do you kno= w=20 what role the x1
of mutce/dukse plays in that event?

mu'o mi'e= =20 xorxes






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