From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Mar 27 10:40:18 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:40:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DFcgF-0007gD-GM for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:40:11 -0800 Received: from web81310.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.85]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DFcgC-0007fn-Vv for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:40:11 -0800 Message-ID: <20050327183937.88064.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.69.48.37] by web81310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:39:37 PST Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:39:37 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Subject: [lojban] Re: New to Lojban and a question To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 9679 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --- Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Sun, Mar 27, 2005 at 03:07:23PM +0200, > Philip Newton wrote: > > On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:44:16 -0800 (PST), > Ryan Gray > > wrote: > > > > > > I would think that a logical language such > as Lojban would have > > > more precise words for these ideas. > > > > I'm reminded of the Lojban proverb, "The > price of infinite > > precision is infinite verbosity". > > lo nu cusku se kai lo cimni ka satci cu se > sarcu lo nu cusku ci'i da > > Unfortunately, satci is (IMO) Wholly > unsatisfying for this, and most > other, uses of the English word "precision". > I've yet to come up > with anything I like much better, though. > > -Robin What is wrong with {satci}? Aside from it seemingly being about deviations of numerical values from the true value -- but that is the home ground of precision and anything else is metaphorical in English. Presumably {satci} has the same inherent metaphor (which, given {ni}, may not even be metaphorical in Lojban). ? {lo nu satci li ci'i cu se jdima lo nu cusku lo cimni}? Needs some alignment of subjects, probably an agentive form of {satci} or maybe matching {cusku}: {lo nu cusku lo satci be li ci'i ...}. (or should that be {pi ci'i} for precision?)