From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Mar 30 06:52:00 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:52:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DGeXt-0004eq-CN for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:51:49 -0800 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.170.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DGeXm-0004ei-Hj for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:51:49 -0800 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so214844rne for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:51:41 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=CqQR4xPMufuxDzNyTvDY0B2COiQIQw2kvMXt47LYPf06z9SJKnToVz9gDXv9XqN7w/+XIYra5c+mgt4n1wOEfbE6AtClnTriaDQaIpqm73J/37QzvSUoG++ddtvuj4vx4BrSF+9DRG0WKqxdmuSL+K+JdxIbnsy4IYnj2XJDRvY= Received: by 10.38.12.33 with SMTP id 33mr461303rnl; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:51:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.152.79 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:51:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4c4e58c10503300651201dda8d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:51:40 +0100 From: Evgeny Sklyanin To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: fu'ivla In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis References: X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 9710 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eks2005@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list coi .ignat. On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:46:55 +0900, ignat 99 wrote: > > Thanks for the attention, > > > In the use only of American alphabet I perceive discrimination. For > example I consider Ancient-Slavic and Ukrainian alphabets highly > developed than American. > First, this is not American alphabet, but Latin alphabet, used by most of European languages as well as by Indonesian, Swahili, Vietnamese etc. Second, there is no need to force an open door (незачем ломиться в открытую дверь). The creators of lojban have already provided for possibilities to use alternative alphabets, including Cyrillic, see http://lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter3.html#s12 Theodor Reer has already demonstrated a sample in his reply. The Cyrillic orthography have not seen much usage yet mainly because of the lack of sufficiently many Russian, or Bulgarian users. There are adaptations of other writing systems to lojban as well. Please calm down. Lojban is not another conspiracy of evil Americans aiming to take over the world. Having read lojban mailing list for about 10 years I have never seen anything even remotely close to english-language chauvinism. The lojban community is very diverse --- see the recent thread "Hello list [introduction]" with the list of countries represented in the mailing list. The cultural pluralism has been present in the project from the very beginning: in the approach to the construction of the vocabulary, of the phonology etc.