From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Apr 08 10:34:17 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DJxMv-0001Ph-9P for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:34:09 -0700 Received: from web81303.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.78]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DJxMr-0001P2-Os for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:34:09 -0700 Message-ID: <20050408173334.49345.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.69.48.37] by web81303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:33:34 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:33:34 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: [lojban] Re: Hintikka on Quantifier Scope To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 9790 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --- 2 = 3 wrote: > John E Clifford wrote: > > >I seem to recall something like this > >was proposed once a long while ago using > modified > >Skolem functions in place of particular > >quantifiers (and eventually groups -- bunches > -- > >for value to make the numeric cases work). > > > > It would be interesting to see the Skolem > function proposal. > > Loglan (!) gets round the issue by explicitly > declaring the mapping, if > I recall correctly. > I wonder if the proposal was not back in the Loglan days; I can't find it in any Lojban material I can search. When I try to reconstruct it, the plan that feels most familiar has a cmavo sumti which takes subordinate arguments of the variables or whatnot that govern it, on the order of {foo be da bei gy (referring back lo gerku} bei ko'a} and so on. But I have no guarantee that this faithfully reproduces the proposal (or, come to that, that the proposal does not exist only in my nonveridical memory).