From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Apr 08 16:24:43 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 16:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DK2q3-00084s-3S for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 16:24:35 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DK2q3-00084l-1R for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 16:24:35 -0700 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 16:24:35 -0700 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Semantics of lojban and glibau, and Lojban FrameNet revisited Message-ID: <20050408232435.GR26545@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 9797 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Fri, Apr 08, 2005 at 06:24:00PM -0400, Ben Goertzel wrote: > Sorry to reply to myself again... > > I suppose in this case the asymmetry of the semantics of "Lojban" > versus "English" in Lojban can be worked around easily via e.g. > > .i la lojban HYP glibau > > but that doesn't really solve the problem of "lojban" being a > cmene versus "glibau" being a predicate with arguments, which > seems an odd asymmetry to me... "la lojban" means "the referent of the name "Lojban", as I determine it". Why should that be an odd thing to describe as fitting the x1 of glibau? I mean, you'd be wrong, but it's a semantic error, not a type error. [on systematizing lujvo] > Taking this kind of approach to defining argument structures would > seem to reduce the risk of odd inconsistencies occurring in the > dictionary of argument-structures... I'm curious why a systematic > approach like this wasn't taken in constructing the Lojban > dictionary, since Lojbanoidic folks seem so interested in order > and systematicity... it's odd that the argument-structures are > only imperfectly and informally systematized, no? The reason is that sometimes the results of a formalized place structure suck ass. :-) -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/