From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Apr 12 03:50:59 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 03:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DLIyn-0000iJ-Q2 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 03:50:49 -0700 Received: from n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.44]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DLIyd-0000hI-Io for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 03:50:49 -0700 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2005 10:49:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.199] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2005 10:48:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: opi_lauma@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5925 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2005 10:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2005 10:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31314.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.109) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2005 10:48:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 64162 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2005 10:48:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=3LdyeoLuLRd7JjLid8GF6P4qPAK8fyfNaoCoBcDs4RhTUT9JjHVWm3ndsV/Q+dBTOi1zZv6cEuTYbO5BlUaDE1Eg7KkK7CfCj9VWfoD3rjrXL4OBEEvn8ezrrfe7tiR8kIdE0rrEIfpnfkjtIYdGX3RPGxDUe2yVD4s4i/h3dUE= ; Message-ID: <20050412104848.64160.qmail@web31314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.2.216.130] by web31314.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 03:48:48 PDT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Opi Lauma X-Yahoo-Profile: opi_lauma MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 03:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [lojban] Re: {X1 selbri X2} = {X2 se selbri X1}? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 9815 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: opi_lauma@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list > {melbi tavla} and {melbi se tavla} are tanru, and as > such are ambiguous. > Now we can reason that {le se tavla} is an audience > so {le melbi se tavla} > is a beautiful audience. In the reference grammar the following is written: 9.10) la tam. [cu] melbi tavla la meris. Tom beautifully-talks to Mary. "beautifully" and "talks" are connected by "-", it means that "beauty" is property of "talk". So I would conclude that {le melbi tavla} is {beautiful speaker} in the sense that he is beautiful as speaker, and in the same way {le melbi se tavla} I would translate as {beautiful audience}, BUT as earlier I would say that beauty is a property of "being talked by", i.e. {X cu le melbi se tavla} means that X is beautiful in being talked, i.e. X is beautiful in doing nothing. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater? Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/TzSHvD/SOnJAA/79vVAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/