From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Apr 22 14:38:35 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:38:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DP5qs-0008DK-Jp for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:38:18 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DP5qh-0008Cd-Rz for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:38:18 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so1022746wri for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:37:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=W3jlCyPAUxBvZgiF6ezHp1BXMQVGJF7CkpW15MvpH7a36lOLGaafdDhUHV+KNephxV31OD4s4JW3hvt1n8SfX+SUExlcy9h4LS+JokNGa4oxr3auU/6IZ48HqNFYevNAriINd30YnZNlw/Gg743zGa44OPdNAg40MNVNn6lm+S4= Received: by 10.54.16.52 with SMTP id 52mr721751wrp; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.67.20 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560504221437179df127@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 18:37:36 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Something Wittgenstein wrote ... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 9861 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 4/21/05, Ryan Gray, wrote: > Whether or not you agree or disagree with Wittgenstein or the people > he is mentioning, how would one say: "after death a timeless state > will begin", or: "at death a timeless state begins" in Lojban ba/ca lo nu morsi kei lo temcau tcini cu cfari >and > would you be able to do so without making the mistake Wittgenstein is > talking about? The mistake, according to Wittgenstein, is to _say that_. You can say that (i.e. make the mistake) in any language. If you don't make the mistake, you would be saying something different, wouldn't you? mu'o mi'e xorxes