From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue May 24 05:50:55 2005
Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 24 May 2005 05:50:56 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50)
	id 1DaYrs-0003AR-SH
	for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 05:50:45 -0700
Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.198])
	by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50)
	id 1DaYrk-00033K-SG
	for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 05:50:44 -0700
Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so2604377wri
        for <lojban-list@lojban.org>; Tue, 24 May 2005 05:50:47 -0700 (PDT)
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws;
        s=beta; d=gmail.com;
        h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references;
        b=dZ7iap8UxPbTKOtz9nrrAaQjrY/btOwaOOcw5W1A+wVJM1DSgs+AtXzNAJ+4oBTXui2bfW4mmPodn/oBN4BZIZv9Z4rtxLvnt8Au/fGO84+GxO+aCZJbMUJ9kDWnvH49CLLTPr48m2FJWZWiX1cNflh8mVoBsdJP0OLCau3cpYM=
Received: by 10.54.69.16 with SMTP id r16mr3575566wra;
        Tue, 24 May 2005 05:50:47 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.54.67.20 with HTTP; Tue, 24 May 2005 05:50:47 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <925d1756050524055021ffdd11@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 09:50:47 -0300
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= <jjllambias@gmail.com>
To: lojban-list@lojban.org
Subject: [lojban] Re: lujvo cmene etc
In-Reply-To: <4291E9D2.6040403@yandex.ru>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis
Content-Disposition: inline
References: <428F4B9C.8040300@yandex.ru>
	 <925d1756050521105862cde0a3@mail.gmail.com>
	 <42906975.4010100@yandex.ru> <925d1756050522125392ad8@mail.gmail.com>
	 <4291E9D2.6040403@yandex.ru>
X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--)
X-archive-position: 10023
X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org
Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org
X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org
X-list: lojban-list

On 5/23/05, Aleksej R. Serdyukov <deletesoftware@yandex.ru> wrote:
> Jorge Llambías wrote:
> >>Does {mo} after {la} mean anything?
> >
> > It's a question, yes. {la mo zilyfaglo'u} asks you to fill in the
> > missing brivla.
> 
> But {la mozilys. faglor.} doesn't, because it ends in a consonant?

Right, it consists of three words. You can string together any
number of consonant-ending words.
  
 
> >>Is there any sense to put a {noi} before {selstuzi} also? Because though
> >>"localted in Moscow, Russia" is not the point of the title, but it's
> >>just mentioned.
> >
> > You could do that, then you would have a sumti instead of a full sentence.
> > Both are grammatical. But the {be cu} bit is ungrammatical.
> 
> Aha, "Delete Software Limited, Moscow, Russia" is not a sentence, too.

Right.


> >>>Maybe {selsanga xamfu'i/casfu'i}.
> >>They are mostly or sometimes funny, yes, and often intended so, but
> >>that's not what "song parody" means. "Funny songs" {du} "parodies" is
> >>illogical.
> >
> > What about {casfu'i}?
> 
> fu'i?
> "Something a little ridiculous"?

casfu'i = ckasu + fukpi "mock-copy"

parody: "A literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic 
style of an author or a work for comic effect or ridicule."
So I think "funny-copy" or "mocking-copy" would work.

> Hm...
> {tergafselsa'a} (modified song) - x1 is a song parody by x2 TTTO x3 by
> x4, the parody is about x5
> {gafselsa'a} (modifier song) - x1 parodies song x2 by x3 about x4 with
> result called x5
> correct?

Could be, but I think the humorous effect is important
to the concept of parody.

Also {xamfu'i} and {casfu'i} apply more generally to all parodies,
not only to songs. All three words can be used, of course, 
depending on context. There is no reason for having a single
Lojban word match one English word.

mu'o mi'e xorxes