From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu May 05 15:58:46 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 05 May 2005 15:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DTpIl-0007KT-05 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 15:58:39 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.205]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DTpIj-0007K1-0P for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 15:58:38 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 13so708563nzp for ; Thu, 05 May 2005 15:58:06 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rNeg0BntItViuNOTzoQZNOGKGV1KUeDLPW2F7Fls3MK22Min0vq7FAhq0pmNNKqDWUHOAfb20RH3Cokioj5tYUgSF5Xy9gmYW+mnXgaqBKEv+JVwJ9QEq9WlmKLZlPkcEqf8w+z0kywEYx0VvSiCnh6wHtl0jMggPn6gtX7TlEY= Received: by 10.36.23.5 with SMTP id 5mr584642nzw; Thu, 05 May 2005 15:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.66.10 with HTTP; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <737b61f305050515581ad614dd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 17:58:06 -0500 From: Chris Capel To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: .aunai and .a'unai In-Reply-To: <737b61f305050515317bb99bdd@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050505142659.71424.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> <737b61f305050515317bb99bdd@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 9936 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 5/5/05, Chris Capel wrote: > I think the definitions/examples given in the BPFK sections are a > really good start to make the attitudinals less ambiguous to > beginners. The only thing I'd change (with my limited knowledge) is > the use of "reluctance" as the gloss for the opposite of "desire". > Unfortunately, I can't think of a better gloss for what amounts in > Jorge's examples to some sort of "reverse-wish" or "un-desire". Regret, perhaps, though that somewhat implies a past-orientation that isn't necessarily in {aunai}. But "regret" can be used as an attitude toward a present circumstance; it's just not a common usage. Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet)