From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon May 16 15:19:30 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 16 May 2005 15:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DXnvm-0001Og-K4 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 16 May 2005 15:19:22 -0700 Received: from n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.44]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DXnvk-0001No-HR for lojban-in@lojban.org; Mon, 16 May 2005 15:19:22 -0700 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; b=uQySDNhCvIuUX+8WTXCdVjYekivLy3lBJ3TCgV5wmzuAXhocJt+6JMKL5do9xA4b57YVsuT7Jr+sD5pP1L3p1OXYjoddBj5U7IiGYw1pjviQnjzWGN5MPJ4bj0THph+a; Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2005 22:18:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.31] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2005 22:18:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: mattarn@123.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4754 invoked from network); 16 May 2005 22:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2005 22:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mole.e-mol.com) (65.169.135.18) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2005 22:18:43 -0000 Received: from mail.123.net (nobody@new.e-mol.com [65.169.135.18]) by mole.e-mol.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.1) with SMTP id j4GMIhTd010112 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 16 May 2005 18:18:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200505162218.j4GMIhTd010112@mole.e-mol.com> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: e-mol.com, e-mail online X-From: mattarn@mail.123.net X-Originating-IP: 65.169.135.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Matt Arnold X-Yahoo-Profile: nemorathwald MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 18:18:43 -0400 Subject: [lojban] Re: Unique Names Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 9952 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mattarn@123.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list This would be rejected by some people if they felt you were proposing an addition to the language, imposing constraints on speakers which we don't want the language to impose, but I don't see it as a change to the language itself. Were this registry to be successful, it would be no more than a cultural phenomenon specific to Lojban-speaking culture. When you feel the time is right you should launch the service on the web just like you'd launch any English-language name registry, and see if people want to use it. But keep it free of the impression that it's built-in to Lojban. -Matt bwirick@calpoly.edu wrote: >Name uniqueness has been a classic problem, because certainty about a >name's uniqueness requires long names, which is silly for >conversations of few people. The whole idea behind hash-tables is that >large numbers can be efficiently represented by smaller numbers if not >all numbers are being used for a given domain. We already do this with >names to a degree, (e.g. "Did you go to John's party?" "John who?" >"John Doe." "Oh, no, I went to John Johnson's party.") but I imagine >that Lojban would be perfect for making conventions like this that >really work. > >I imagine that cmene will be unofficial in the same way that websites >are unofficial. To register a website, one selects a top-level domain >(e.g. com, org, net, etc.) and picks a domain name that has not yet >been picked for that TLD, so it can be unique without being very >regulated. In the same way, there can be many "lojbo cmene tutra," >analogous to the Web's TLDs, and people could register groups of cmene >under whichever ones they want (some might become more popular than >others), and the owner of each group of cmene could specify as many >unique cmene under that group as desired. This could be the next >generation of jbovlaste or something. _______________________________________________________ Sent through e-mol. E-mail, Anywhere, Anytime. http://www.e-mol.com ------------------------ Yahoo! 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