From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue May 17 11:18:57 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 17 May 2005 11:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DY6eX-0006ti-E1 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 11:18:49 -0700 Received: from web81302.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.77]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DY6eU-0006tH-Mm for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 11:18:49 -0700 Message-ID: <20050517181815.12588.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.69.48.37] by web81302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 May 2005 11:18:15 PDT Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 11:18:15 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: [lojban] Re: The x1 of fenki To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 9955 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --- Robin Lee Powell wrote: > All of the major words used in the definition > of fenki (crazy, > insane, mad, frantic, frenzy) apply primarily > to *people*, at least > in the dictionaries I'm looking at. > > Why, then, is the x1 of fenki an event? > Either politeness or an entrenched notion of psychology: people aren't crazy, only their actions are. Were the first place a person we would need another place (probably the second) for the behavior that justified the label. For that matter, all the words do also apply to actions in English ("frenzy" is an action-type, not a person at all, but both persons and actions can be frenzied). But it does make it hard (perhaps intentionally?) to say a person is crazy ({tu'a}? or a compound with {gau}?).