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Subject: [lojban] Re: The x1 of fenki
From: Theodore Reed <treed@surreality.us>
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On Tue, 2005-05-17 at 11:18 -0700, John E Clifford wrote:
> --- Robin Lee Powell
> <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> > All of the major words used in the definition
> > of fenki (crazy,
> > insane, mad, frantic, frenzy) apply primarily
> > to *people*, at least
> > in the dictionaries I'm looking at.
> >=20
> > Why, then, is the x1 of fenki an event?
> >=20
> Either politeness or an entrenched notion of
> psychology: people aren't crazy, only their
> actions are.  Were the first place a person we
> would need another place (probably the second)
> for the behavior that justified the label.  For
> that matter, all the words do also apply to
> actions in English ("frenzy" is an action-type,
> not a person at all, but both persons and actions
> can be frenzied).  But it does make it hard
> (perhaps intentionally?) to say a person is crazy
> ({tu'a}? or a compound with {gau}?).

I'm not sure {gau} is what you want there. Perhaps {zu'e}?
--=20
Theodore Reed <treed@surreality.us>

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