From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed May 18 13:16:33 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 18 May 2005 13:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DYUxt-0000ww-0t for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 13:16:25 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.204]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DYUxq-0000wL-Un for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 13:16:24 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so371303wri for ; Wed, 18 May 2005 13:15:52 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UEi19m3MGmANThpmWhLwBtEDCzfAdDgkBCh2HlLPqBlNA0fNP62LW1OYTr3X0wgWctf3uDMlasorCWDUtofPHq6CV5TUB3e3LOpUWvHxGc/8JWg1dojD5GrI5HC6O9C41aCDX/aspl8kpswJGU0E/LUBdsRceQwznkD+9J8ng/s= Received: by 10.54.35.77 with SMTP id i77mr507328wri; Wed, 18 May 2005 13:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.67.20 with HTTP; Wed, 18 May 2005 13:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560505181315581ecbbe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 17:15:52 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: The x1 of fenki In-Reply-To: <20050518183420.GL4653@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050517181815.12588.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> <20050518183420.GL4653@chain.digitalkingdom.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 9962 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 5/18/05, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > This is really bizarre to me, because to me only *people* are crazy. > > There are actions that only a crazy person would take, but it's the > preson that's crazy, not the actions. In English, "crazy" can be used both for people or for actions. "He's crazy" and "that's crazy" are both perfectly idiomatic as far as I can tell. In Lojban, according to the gi'uste, there are certain gismu places that are reserved for events and from which people or objects are explicitly excluded. It is very hard to guess which places are like that, and which will happily take both people and events. For example the x1 of {xajmi} explicitly allows both people and events. I have never quite understood the rationale behind the distinction. mu'o mi'e xorxes