From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu May 19 04:13:51 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 19 May 2005 04:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DYiyC-0007Gz-UG for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 04:13:40 -0700 Received: from n30.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.59]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DYiyA-0007FC-CV for lojban-in@lojban.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 04:13:40 -0700 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; b=aSR1muiK1CpMiAUVcmE5ni1mPIISfj61gAJoTrqDoW7N+EKRPodX1K1myEFOG4n2/LpdtNlgIGVadccdOefuBSRMNTg9fVh5X27HVTCRpUe4aKeZYB/F5nfg4Oz+Ai5L; Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n30.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2005 11:13:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.28] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2005 11:13:02 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: opi_lauma@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73578 invoked from network); 19 May 2005 11:12:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2005 11:12:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web32115.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.129) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2005 11:12:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 74958 invoked by uid 60001); 19 May 2005 11:12:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050519111254.74956.qmail@web32115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.2.216.130] by web32115.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 May 2005 04:12:54 PDT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Opi Lauma X-Yahoo-Profile: opi_lauma MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 04:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [lojban] {le} and {lo}. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 9968 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: opi_lauma@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Hi all, I try to understand the usage of {le} and {lo}. The analogy with English articles “the” and “a/an” does not help me to much since I am not native English speaker. However, I think that I understood the usage of {le}. Actually {le X} means that I speak about some earlier selected (defined) subset of elements from set X, for example: 1. le gerku - the dog(s) (one speaks about dog(s) which has/have been defined earlier). 2. ci le gerku - three of the dogs (one speaks about some three (it is not known which three exactly) dogs from earlier defined group of dogs). 3. le ci gerku - the three dogs (one speaks about the three earlier defined dogs). 4. re le ci gerku (one speaks about some two dogs, from earlier defined group consisting of three dogs). I think that it is no use to say the two dogs of the three dogs {le re le ci gerku}, since if we know which two dogs it is spoken about, we do not need to know to which group of dogs these two dogs belong. Did I correctly understand everything? About {lo}. Is it right that {lo gerku} = {le N gerku}, where N is a number of all {gerku} in the world? __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater? Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/TzSHvD/SOnJAA/79vVAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/