From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu May 19 05:31:18 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 19 May 2005 05:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DYkAn-0000Lu-Q0 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 05:30:45 -0700 Received: from web81309.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.84]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DYkAj-0000LS-2t for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 05:30:45 -0700 Message-ID: <20050519123009.97027.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.69.48.37] by web81309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 May 2005 05:30:09 PDT Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 05:30:09 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: [lojban] Re: The x1 of fenki To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 9969 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --- Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 5/18/05, John E Clifford > wrote: > > But even if > > we could come up with a rationale in this > case, > > another case would come along equally > mysterious. > > Languages get words in spite of someone's > > rational scheme, not because of it. > > Natlangs, yes. But Lojban did mainly get its > words because > of someone's (rational or irrational) scheme. "Scheme" suggests more thought than can be evidenced by most of the words here. Most Lojban words came from Loglan, the Loglan ones came from a variety of natural language statistical data (mainly from English at that: Eaton's, Basic English, etc.). And, in each case, one man's or a very few's "intuitions" about place structure. So, in general, the natural language mish-mash persevered.