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Subject: [lojban] Re: How to say "depends"?
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--- Opi Lauma <opi_lauma@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
>  
> 
> I have a trivial question which I cannot
> answer. How to say in Lojban “depends” (in
> physical or mathematical sence)? In the list of
> gismu I have found the following two
> possibilities.
> 
> 
> 1. lacri [ lac ] rely 
> 
> x1 relies/depends/counts on/trusts x2 to bring
> about/ensure/maintain x3 (event/state) 
> 
> 
> 2. fancu [ ] function 
> x1 is a function/single-valued mapping from
> domain x2 to range x3 defined by
> expression/rule x4 
> 
>  
> 
> However the first one I do not like since it is
> related with such subjective terms as “relies”
> and “trusts”. The second option is problematic
> since fancu is a single-valued mapping and I
> need to describe many variable function.
> 
I'm not perfectly sure what "single-valued
mapping" intended but it probably should mean
that for any given input -- which may have any
number of components -- it yiields a unique
output ("value").  So, the domain might be a set
of ordered n-tuples, not just single items.  If
that is what you want, a function from input to
output, then {fancu} is probably your best word. 
Or some compound of it, if there are details tht
need special treatment.