From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jun 06 07:25:58 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DfIXs-0001i8-KV for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:25:40 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.204]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DfIXk-0001hk-1s for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:25:40 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so3022662wri for ; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:25:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NpUELRxydo+fjIcl8MAoK+I1ugQIOHogg4oDFLD9XkDAx+OdGTQ/SUfFF82amHbnoe+msSlO/GFmKb3VGM/7EvUFnKvdzuU/+tEqb/oQgc6ckKp1eVXp+MEFFPAsqw9n3YIx2lDVFvWplqc/HnEFjcE/KpF9v6uygz3UN/PQxrQ= Received: by 10.54.15.75 with SMTP id 75mr1994260wro; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.67.20 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 07:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d175605060607252d4ccf24@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:25:31 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: How to say "depends"? In-Reply-To: <20050606073343.54236.qmail@web33407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050606073343.54236.qmail@web33407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10109 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list We want a relationship like "value x1 depends on value x2 according to function x3", so not a relationship between a range of values and a domain of values (which is all {fancu} provides) but one between two values. {ckini} is "x1 is related to/associated with/akin to x2 by relationship x3", which is almost what we want: what we need to add is that the relatiopnship x3 is a function (i.e. not any mapping but one that maps any value of the domain to a single value of the range), so perhaps something like this would work: fancyki'i: x1 is the value corresponding to value x2 by relationship x3 which is a function from domain x4 (containing x2) to range x5 (containing x1)". {fancymapti} could be a similar option. Of course {ckini} and {mapti} can be used by themselves even when the relationship involved is a function, especially for non-technical stuff. mu'o mi'e xorxes