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Subject: [lojban] Re: How to say "depends"?
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--- Opi Lauma <opi_lauma@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > That depends (heh). Which English meaning are
> you
> trying to
> > capture? 
> 
> At first I am trying to capture usual
> mathematical
> meaning. For example if y=sin(x) then y
> "depends" on
> x. However, I doubt about {fancu} again since
> in its
> definition there is no explicit place for
> argument x:
> 
> x1 is a function/single-valued mapping 
> from domain x2 
> to range x3 
> defined by expression/rule x4
> 
> If I correctly understand x2 is not argument of
> function but range of its definition, i.e. for
> the
> case of sinus it should be {-Infinity,
> Infinity}.

I *think* that "range" here is used in the
technical sense as the set to which all the
values belong.  So also "domain" for arguments. 
In the case of sinus, the set is the whole real
field and the domain is all possible angles (?
trigonometry is a long way into my past).
 It
> is also not clear how to emphasize that there
> are
> several arguments in function.

This is trickier; Lojban should have a way of
giving order n-tuples by specifying the domains
of the various places, but I can't find or
remember it right now.  Maybe just conjunction
with {ce,o}. 
> 
> Than I would like to use the mathematical
> meaning of
> "depends" for common life. For example to say
> that
> "Character depends on education".

This is, with respect to {fancu}, a metaphorical
extension and possibly not a good one (does one
kind even of education always yield the same kind
of character?).  "Cause" ({rinka} at least)
doesn't work either and "affect" (had we a good
word for it -- {xlura} goes in the wrong
direction) is probably weaker than you want. 
There are only positive correlations and Lojban
is a bit weak on such notions (oddly, since the
original founder was a social scientist).