From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Jun 11 04:03:44 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 11 Jun 2005 04:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1Dh3ly-0003JP-99 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 04:03:30 -0700 Received: from n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.48]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Dh3lf-0003I7-79 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 04:03:29 -0700 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; b=c/xOB8W4zQRMMG3b3DemxDyG57NVKedeQq2o0PVXA/2bjygnFbGLduNA2gjgBnUzrdVR8HcwgwyvSy9pQNsBJ0cqPKWF+BY8IafldEBx18i7X4HMOmkAzBNi7Ys/lrRy; Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2005 11:02:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.36] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2005 11:02:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: opi_lauma@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59353 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2005 11:02:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2005 11:02:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33409.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.141) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2005 11:02:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 40600 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jun 2005 11:02:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20050611110228.40598.qmail@web33409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [84.176.106.34] by web33409.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Jun 2005 04:02:28 PDT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Opi Lauma X-Yahoo-Profile: opi_lauma MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 04:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban for Beginners lesson 12 answers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-393759291-1118487748=:37270" X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10128 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: opi_lauma@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0-393759291-1118487748=:37270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I know how Moscow and St. Petersburg sound in Russian (some think like “masKVA” and “sank pietierBURK”). And I think that correct Lojban names are {la masKVA} and {la sank pietierBURK}, respectively. There is an official transliteration system for transforming names written in Cyrillic into Latin symbols. According to this system Moscow is Moskva. However, the second “o” sounds not like Lojban’s “o” (since in Russian there is no one to one correspondence between letters and sounds). The “o” in Moskva sound similar with Lojban’s “a” (in English “but”). Strictly speaking it sounds a little bit different, but anyway it is closer to “a” rather to Lojban’s schwa “y” (like in English America). Moreover, Russian “e” is definitely not Lojban’s “e”. It is why I have replaced “e” by “ie” in St. Petersburg. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour --0-393759291-1118487748=:37270 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I know how Moscow and St. Petersburg sound in Russian (some think like “masKVA” and “sank pietierBURK”). And I think that correct Lojban names are {la masKVA} and {la sank pietierBURK}, respectively.

 

There is an official transliteration system for transforming names written in Cyrillic into Latin symbols. According to this system Moscow is Moskva. However, the second “o” sounds not like Lojban’s “o” (since in Russian there is no one to one correspondence between letters and sounds). The “o” in Moskva sound similar with Lojban’s “a” (in English “but”). Strictly speaking it sounds a little bit different, but anyway it is closer to “a” rather to Lojban’s schwa “y” (like in English America).

 

Moreover, Russian “e” is definitely not  Lojban’s “e”. It is why I have replaced “e” by “ie” in St. Petersburg.

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