From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jun 13 12:12:25 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DhuM3-0004wc-Pp for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:12:15 -0700 Received: from bay23-dav5.bay23.hotmail.com ([64.4.22.185] helo=hotmail.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DhuM2-0004wU-7y for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:12:15 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:12:12 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.218.132.157 by BAY23-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:12:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.218.132.157] X-Originating-Email: [betsemes@hotmail.com] X-Sender: betsemes@hotmail.com From: "Betsemes" To: "Main Lojban List" References: <20050608220428.GF15659@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <925d1756050609072757542a3c@mail.gmail.com> <925d175605060911227d7c6445@mail.gmail.com> <925d175605060914082a76fce1@mail.gmail.com> <20050610223041.GT22480@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20050613174958.GI4118@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Subject: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: zvati Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:10:24 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2005 19:12:12.0792 (UTC) FILETIME=[CDD2A780:01C5704B] X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-archive-position: 10157 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: betsemes@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list > > >I consider it purely locational too, it's just that I don't > > >accept that something that is not there can serve to indicate a > > >location. {bu'u le karce} means "at the location of the car", not > > >"at any location the car ever was or will be". {bu'u lo nu pu > > >salci} indicates the location where a party was held in the past, > > >not a location where, for example, at some point in the future, a > > >party will have been held in the past. > > Who wrote that, by the way? > Jorge wrote it.