From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jun 15 09:03:35 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DiaMA-0007OG-8k for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:03:10 -0700 Received: from n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.16]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DiaLu-0007Na-AL for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:03:09 -0700 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; b=mTxNw4D3QcZ7USjCu4ihCxE+hMZX3fNNrvgVw0AnFjO8CM4sVRtmWNR8/zcpv4uwWfyJ9SE0bu/uUv6mGeylmnYGjJMYIEqfGF4GRuCn4Ywls+zv/15er5NomvjhZ9bL; Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2005 16:02:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.29] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2005 16:02:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: opi_lauma@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98027 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2005 16:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2005 16:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web33409.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.141) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2005 16:02:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 1923 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2005 16:02:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20050615160226.1921.qmail@web33409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.2.216.130] by web33409.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:02:26 PDT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Opi Lauma X-Yahoo-Profile: opi_lauma MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [lojban] No default quantifiers. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10168 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: opi_lauma@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Hello. In the Lojban-Wiki I have found the following: There are no default quantifiers. At all. For example, the default outer quantifier of "lo" used to be "su'o", which means "at least one", but that is no longer the case. "lo cribe" could be one, or a billion, or none. I do not understand what for the default quantifier {su'o} has been removed. Now if I say {lo cribe cu danlu} I say nothing. Because this expression is always true. If only one bear is animal it is true, if none bear is animal it is also true, if there are arbitrary number of bears which are animals it is also true. So, I get no information from {lo cribe cu danlu}, i. e. this sentence contains no information. __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Has someone you know been affected by illness or disease? Network for Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts! http://us.click.yahoo.com/RzSHvD/UOnJAA/79vVAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/