From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jun 15 10:30:30 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DibiX-0000Wf-K1 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:30:21 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DibiX-0000WY-9s for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:30:21 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:30:21 -0700 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: No default quantifiers. Message-ID: <20050615173021.GD13307@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20050615160226.1921.qmail@web33409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050615160226.1921.qmail@web33409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 10173 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 09:02:26AM -0700, Opi Lauma wrote: > Hello. > > In the Lojban-Wiki I have found the following: > > There are no default quantifiers. At all. For example, the default > outer quantifier of "lo" used to be "su'o", which means "at least > one", but that is no longer the case. "lo cribe" could be one, or > a billion, or none. > > I do not understand what for the default quantifier {su'o} has > been removed. Because it made it very hard to say a lot of things that people thought they were saying, but actually weren't. It also lead to a lot of very serious confusion when "na" was involved. > Now if I say {lo cribe cu danlu} I say nothing. Because this > expression is always true. {lo cribe cu danlu} is an extremely context-dependant sentence. This is a good thing most of the time. If you want logical precision, use an explicit quantifier. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/