From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jun 20 09:11:08 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DkOrU-0003Qx-Iw for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:11:00 -0700 Received: from n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.28]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DkOrR-0003Qh-A3 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:11:00 -0700 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; b=Ga/Aez7NtKXHk83sH+h5r0pKJri7vSKWiw7dutARrwzxRZrmjr86hdVRCL/l4kM3YFvSnCzKWJwkf9j9CAfQBzV+G6IOcZrZa+6cK9lHtdLQF5P1kiNU1gNdubQrg+q2; Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2005 16:08:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.32] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2005 16:08:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: mattarn@123.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59473 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2005 16:08:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2005 16:08:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mole.e-mol.com) (65.169.135.18) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2005 16:08:35 -0000 Received: from mail.123.net (nobody@new.e-mol.com [65.169.135.18]) by mole.e-mol.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.1) with SMTP id j5KG8OTd020876; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:08:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200506201608.j5KG8OTd020876@mole.e-mol.com> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com, lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org In-Reply-To: References: <1119217594.8641.7.camel@localhost> <200506201344.j5KDiLTd003997@mole.e-mol.com> <200506201448.j5KEmNTd012798@mole.e-mol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: e-mol.com, e-mail online X-From: mattarn@mail.123.net X-Originating-IP: 65.169.135.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Matt Arnold X-Yahoo-Profile: nemorathwald MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:08:24 -0400 Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban neography Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 10220 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mattarn@123.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list A friend has allowed us to use her Messyboard for this: http://www.messyboard.org/netmouse/ > The glyphs are way too complex: Only l, r, i, o and ' are reasonably > simple in that system. It can't be done. There are only so many paths for the pen to take without lifting. And it doesn't need to be; none of them, except perhaps x, are more complex than many English cursive letters such as lower-case f, j, g, and z. In the glyphs of the Latin/Roman typeset alphabet look at the g, capital B or capital H, each with three recognizable hand movements. People constantly put curlicues on capital cursive letters. Consider the @ character that we handwrite in e-mail addresses all the time. > And the zh symbol looks like an ass. So does cursive capital E. Everything looks like something until you're used to it. > E and A are too similar. I'd like to improve that. Perhaps the a should be bisected by a very straight line with hard corners at top and bottom like the Greek letter Phi. > The displayed sample lacks /y/. Since the > principles for vowel construction are not clear, > I have no suggestion how that might go. This is a top priority. Of course it will have to go under the line. > No, I mean, since you use a space as a required pause, not as a word > separator, how do you indicate *obligatory* stress? Excellent point. I like what Bruce says: >It would also be nice to allow for words to be denoted - perhaps a flat >line on the baseline. That way the pen does not have to be lifted, but the >letters would be grouped. That might also solve the stress denotation >problem. A flat horizontal place could be a stress word break. Or would it be better as the period? -Matt _______________________________________________________ Sent through e-mol. E-mail, Anywhere, Anytime. http://www.e-mol.com To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/