From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Aug 08 19:45:16 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:45:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E2K71-0007UQ-3a for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:45:07 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E2K6x-0007UA-RL for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:45:06 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l1so94280nzf for ; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:45:02 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iBpYqkXXc5mbZIwADJQHeNthP2G3n1F4STKQywB7DntPGe4e51kKjqz+u+Oh7uFoFtjV/OuTbglD2lP0JteUNV5p4pe5J7gO2JJSMawn1TSSm/tQsJvyeo2igXAQa39Ja8j5oHnFgnYlAf7cdf77p2ap5anB8yZ8q+Vnk9Pkdjg= Received: by 10.37.15.71 with SMTP id s71mr611898nzi; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.67.6 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 19:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <737b61f305080819454d414565@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:45:02 -0500 From: Chris Capel To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: ji'i In-Reply-To: <42F81081.2030508@phma.hn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <737b61f30508081808767b7b5b@mail.gmail.com> <42F81081.2030508@phma.hn.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10323 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 8/8/05, Pierre Abbat wrote: > An approximate range is properly specified by using {ji'i} with some > word from BIhI. {ji'i} alone should not be used so. Ahh. In CLL example 14.16.1 (if it can be applied to quantity as well as location intervals), it would seem that the intended sense of {pa ji'i re roi} can be captured either by {pa bi'i re roi}, or, /slightly/ more explicitly, {ji'i pa bi'i re roi}. In the former, the approximateness is inherent in the fact that you're using a range to describe something that can only be a definite quantity (if that's the case, as it is in the Alice sentence). Otherwise, ji'i can be added to make it explicit. Would this be accurate? If so, there's no need of the range (interval) sense of {ji'i} I was talking about, since that meaning's pretty much captured by {bi'i} alone in most cases. Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet) To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.