From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Aug 16 10:10:02 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E54wi-0007wp-Pi for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:09:52 -0700 Received: from [208.234.8.229] (helo=intelligenesiscorp.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E54we-0007wi-Lp for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:09:52 -0700 Received: from zombiethustra (pcp06586041pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [69.140.24.121]) by intelligenesiscorp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j7GH9i7W011687; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:09:45 -0400 From: "Ben Goertzel" To: Cc: "Izabela Lyon Freire Goertzel" , "Ari Heljakka" Subject: [lojban] Re: Loglish: A Modest Proposal Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:09:37 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050816150632.25334.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 10386 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ben@goertzel.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Regarding reference resolution... > Lojban requires less of the AI's, because it's > much less ambiguous > (the only significant ambiguity, so far as I can > tell, residing in tanru > and in reference resolution mechanisms).>> > > Yeah, it has actually managed to have a reference > system that is less effective than English, a > fairly remarkable achievement in its own right > (to be sure, it has, in theory, a foolproof > reference system, but it has proven unworkable > even for written communication). As I said in my prior email, I was thinking about augmenting Lojban's referencing system in Loglish with something more user-friendly. For instance, I was thinking about something like a "queh" reference-indicator, to be used as in "Lo man go lo playground. It queh man kill lo dog. It eat lo cat." ("The man goes to the playground. He kills the dog. He eats the cat.") The idea here is that "it" is used as a generic referential indicator, but "queh" is used to precede a qualitative indicator of what the "it" refers back to. Then, subsequent uses of "it" are assumed to keep referring back to the same referent, until another use of "it" coupled with "queh" ooccurs... Disclaimer: It may be that Lojban contains some mechanism like this that I don't know about, as my study of Lojban didn't penetrate all that far... though I did read "Lojban for Beginners" and do all the exercises... -- Ben To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.