From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Aug 16 15:20:14 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E59mv-0004YS-Mu for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:20:05 -0700 Received: from [208.234.8.229] (helo=intelligenesiscorp.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E59mr-0004Y8-UI for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:20:05 -0700 Received: from zombiethustra (pcp06586041pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [69.140.24.121]) by intelligenesiscorp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j7GMJvU7006068 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:19:59 -0400 From: "Ben Goertzel" To: Subject: [lojban] Re: Loglish: A Modest Proposal Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:19:51 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20050816201610.7462.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 10398 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ben@goertzel.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list > > In speech I can't think of a non-annoying way > > to solve it... except by > > outlawing/replacing > > those few English words that overlap with > > cmavo, e.g. replacing "go" with > > "proceed" > > > > "Lo man cu proceed lo playground" > > > > or with "eng_go" (enggo?), > > > > "Lo man cu enggo lo playground" > > > > ;-p > > Yuck indeed Yeah, the best strategy is just to rule out those few English words that overlap with Lojban cmavo. This is not such a terrible loss, really. > > For instance, in my intended usage, you could > > say > > > > "la Dr. Benjamin Goertzel cu enggo lo > > playground. It queh man cu kill lo > > dog. It cu eat lo cat. > > > > In this case, "It" is defined to refer to "Dr. > > Benjamin Goertzel", not to > > "man" generically. > > Well, this is a nice bit of editing, but is it > one that AI can universally do, that is, identify > what in the neighborhood falls appropriately > under "man" (in the sense "male" of course)and > what falls under female and so on. My experience is that in practical text processing, AI's can do this with a very high accuracy (>98%) but not perfect accuracy. > There are any > number of "genders" as the need arises -- > including some that somehow cut across the > "natural" ones, to separate Flash from Ming in > the everpopular "Ming walked up to Flash. He > struck him." Well, that particularly case is quite easy for simple rule-based AI algorithms, but not every case is so easy. Loglish doesn't easily help with that case; like Lojban it just encourages you to say stuff like "La Ming cu approach la Flash. La Ming cu strike la flash." -- Ben To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.