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From: John E Clifford <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [lojban] Re: Loglish
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--- Ben Goertzel <ben@goertzel.org> wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don't mean to re-open the Loglish discussion
> on this list; it was very
> useful to me but has probably run its natural
> course.
> 
> However, for those who are interested, I have
> posted a revised version of my
> initial Loglish overview document, which
> benefited greatly from the feedback
> of those on this list.
> 
>
http://www.goertzel.org/new_research/Loglish.htm
> 
> Naturally, me being who I am, there are
> probably still some errors here and
> there ;-)
> 
> The next step in the development of the Loglish
> concept would be the actual
> implementation of a Loglish parser.  One of my
> colleagues plans to do this
> over the next couple months, but we'll see if
> it actually comes about and at
> what rate!  When/if a Loglish parser is
> completed I'll put it online and
> announce it here so y'all can appropriately and
> good-naturedly rip it to
> shreds ;-)

(continuing)
The "quu" device for pronouns is useful but still
leaves a lot of problems (not so many, perhaps,
as the various Lojban systems or their
combination, but some).  The Ming and Flash case,
for example.  I am not sure there is a totally
satisfactory solution in terms of pronouns, hence
the joke aphorism.

I find it hard to believe that Lojban, which,
like Loglan, is very sensitive about right hand
ends, does not already have terminators for {zei}
and {fi'o} (although as you are using it this
needs a LHE terminator).  And, indeed, {fi'o} has
{fe'u}, but {zei} always works with one word at a
time (so maybe you need "qui" after all.


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