From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Aug 31 10:20:26 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EAWG2-0004l2-1C for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:20:18 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.201]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EAWFy-0004kv-7L for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:20:17 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id v1so1044060nzb for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:20:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dTD27R4caWA7JoQP9I+EuJm1TgWlWRNvvwp8tt1UV19IpVS5q2SdHTyY02WO4hUi+SoPg2uzNMNWDodPiFwxAxrNsNXiiEEHVQSoq3ivF8Wq1ApnRsRShDurbvIpWc/EW4HRQ8Zq0G1t0PrrcImNJk40L5ZFlWFsk6lq4i3GSXE= Received: by 10.36.36.2 with SMTP id j2mr586644nzj; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.36.8 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8f2fd4aa05083110203971c210@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:20:12 -0700 From: Brandon Wirick To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Orthography In-Reply-To: <4315B245.4080803@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <8f2fd4aa0508301744f04c745@mail.gmail.com> <4315B245.4080803@yandex.ru> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10470 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: brandon@yrick.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list I certainly considered it, but {xy} is truly an unvoiced consonant, so it should be in the same family as the other unvoiced consonants. Since it is the only one without a voiced counterpart, {y'y} had nowhere to go, and they're somewhat similar sounds, I stuck {y'y} in that hole. I also considered putting {ry} there instead (doesn't a voiced velar fricative technically count as {ry}?) but that was weird all over, so I declined. On 8/31/05, Aleksej R. Serdyukov wrote: > Aren't "'" and "x" worth to be switched around in the table? To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.