From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Sep 05 21:43:57 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 05 Sep 2005 21:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1ECVJE-0006Kj-Gj for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 21:43:48 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1ECVJC-0006Kb-6R for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 21:43:48 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so826745wra for ; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 21:43:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bAmYH9hWO+4PDVZtZLfs1yCxwXua+wXA+sgsnZcbcArpB8zCC5nKk0wULWJ5bLhQLzulRAXGp+StUW1Aq4wrZv6G3+8UVUF4EmXeimxaQtsbMeF+0ol1YFHF9B94W3vIddXXIEHJ2G1DsKYG0T1D+mDc0PH6nSv4i1EkcOXUHIY= Received: by 10.54.121.12 with SMTP id t12mr4113928wrc; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 21:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.140.6 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 00:43:44 -0400 From: Matt Arnold To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Orthography In-Reply-To: <8f2fd4aa050905195922e9cca2@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11205_3467672.1125981824601" References: <20050906010833.24545.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> <8f2fd4aa050905181732abb68a@mail.gmail.com> <8f2fd4aa050905195922e9cca2@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 10505 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list ------=_Part_11205_3467672.1125981824601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I have attempted to make a chart in which I count in binary using LCD clock= =20 characters. http://www.nemorathwald.com/lojban/LCD_binary_chart.jpg Black represents on, blue represents off. There are a hundred and twenty=20 eight, if you include zero, so that matches John's count. I'm fairly sure= =20 every possible way for it to light up is represented in this chart. Each of= =20 the seven strokes is to represent a digit in a binary number, and John=20 described the scheme as follows: top, upper right, upper left, middle, lower right, lower left, bottom I would have numbered them but I don't know how to count in binary so I=20 don't know if I've got them in the wrong order. Can somebody type out a=20 comma-separated or space-separated list numbering them according to what=20 each represents? For instance, unless I am mistaken, I think the first row= =20 is:=20 0 and the second row is: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ...I think. The last row is: 128 Then I'll remake the chart, numbered, and put it online. Then when we=20 discuss changes to DSO we could just refer to a character by number and loo= k=20 it up to know what somebody's talking about. -epkat On 9/5/05, Brandon Wirick wrote: >=20 > It certainly doesn't suck! Good idea on the vowels. Too bad it's > impossible to do that with only connected characters. >=20 > Maybe I can create an applet or something that generates orthographies > from a hex string. That way we can all play around with orthographies > and communicate along these lines: > "Check out this orthography: 4FA39F6..." > "Ooh, I like what you did with {ty} and {dy}, but I think it would be > better if you did this: 4FA3C96..." >=20 > I'll get on that soon, or if anyone else is itching to do it, be my guest= . >=20 > mu'omi'e.uirik. >=20 > On 9/5/05, Matt Arnold wrote: > > No doubt this image has other problems, but I tried to visualize a DSO= =20 > in > > which vowels were horizontally symmetrical. Also, in this version I > > eliminated the characters made of two unattached vertical lines because > > those were a pain to write with. The red characters represent the=20 > original > > characters which were replaced. Here's the link: > > http://www.nemorathwald.com/lojban/lcd_clock_alphabet.gif > > Currently I'm drawing a chart of all possible arrangements of segments= =20 > that > > can be in one character. I believe, but am not sure, that they are in= =20 > binary > > code order. After I upload it, I'd like somebody who understands binary= =20 > to > > number them in The Gimp or some such image program so we can use John's > > numbering scheme and reference the chart. > > -epkat >=20 >=20 > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.or= g > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >=20 > ------=_Part_11205_3467672.1125981824601 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I have attempted to make a chart in which I count in binary using LCD clock= characters.
http://= www.nemorathwald.com/lojban/LCD_binary_chart.jpg
Black represents on, blue represents off. There are a hundred and twenty eight, if you include zero, so that matches John's count. I'm fairly sure every possible way for it to light up is represented in this chart. Each of the seven strokes is to represent a digit in a binary number, and John described the scheme as follows:
top, upper right, upper left, middle, lower right, lower left, bottom I would have numbered them but I don't know how to count in binary so I don't know if I've got them in the wrong order. Can somebody type out a comma-separated or space-separated list numbering them according to what each represents? For instance, unless I am mistaken, I think the first row is:
0
and the second row is:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
...I think. The last row is:
128
Then I'll remake the chart, numbered, and put it online. Then when we discuss changes to DSO we could just refer to a character by number and look it up to know what somebody's talking about.
-epkat

On 9/5/05, Brandon Wirick <br= andon@yrick.com> wrote:
It certainly doesn't suck! Good idea on the vowels. Too bad it's
impossi= ble to do that with only connected characters.

Maybe I can create an= applet or something that generates orthographies
from a hex string. Tha= t way we can all play around with orthographies
and communicate along these lines:
"Check out this orthography:= 4FA39F6..."
"Ooh, I like what you did with {ty} and {dy}, but= I think it would be
better if you did this: 4FA3C96..."

I'll get on that soon, or if anyone else is itching to do it, be my guest.<= br>
mu'omi'e.uirik.

On 9/5/05, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com> wrote:
> No do= ubt this image has other problems, but I tried to visualize a DSO in
> which vowels were horizontally symmetrical. Also, in this version = I
> eliminated the characters made of two unattached vertical lines b= ecause
> those were a pain to write with. The red characters represen= t the original
> characters which were replaced. Here's the link:
> &nbs= p;htt= p://www.nemorathwald.com/lojban/lcd_clock_alphabet.gif
> &nb= sp;Currently I'm drawing a chart of all possible arrangements of segments t= hat
> can be in one character. I believe, but am not sure, that they are= in binary
> code order. After I upload it, I'd like somebody who und= erstands binary to
> number them in The Gimp or some such image progr= am so we can use John's
> numbering scheme and reference the chart.
>  -epka= t


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