From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Sep 09 07:20:17 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 09 Sep 2005 11:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EDjjb-0002CG-SC for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 07:20:07 -0700 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.170.206]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EDjjW-0002Bz-SV for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 07:20:07 -0700 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so323539rnf for ; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 07:20:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KLmreNYqNA79x7VonPkLFVqJN4dLxpbwkqLO1KLgbuKF3I/0Cb76seBLQS6V6z8rwSiFo9LCvWrq+wImNU3IGXaaqPezPD6yLUMDdiz72481a4G0IXsKHl6UWgkcYy6OM0fUQrlM7WK4t2Wi7f0DbQsZD91FIh5tQe1cKw2zrr0= Received: by 10.39.2.7 with SMTP id e7mr30959rni; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 07:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.89.33 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 07:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:20:00 -0400 From: Christopher Zervic To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: lojban's difficulty In-Reply-To: <20050908235419.68833.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d175605090815037f1116e0@mail.gmail.com> <20050908235419.68833.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10551 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: zervic@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 9/8/05, John E Clifford wrote: > The main problem with oearning Lojban is the > almost complete lack of teaching material. The existing materials are full of highly artificial specimen texts. A wider body of translated literature, and original literature will help. Translating a movie script, something current, would help to develop a useable speaking pattern. I can see where LfB can be intimidating. For example, the section with loi and le and all the numbers is very confusing - and that's chapter FOUR. I don't know that a more 'natural' or Pimsleur-type approach would be ideal, so something new, in the middle, should fill the need. Most language instruction texts start by teaching the pleasantries - hello, thank you, you're welcome, good morning, good bye, etc. That type of thing is common to every person, and expressions that they use daily and can remember easily. Then even someone who knows nothing more than coi, do mo, ki'e, and co'o can say "I know a little Lojban" and thus feel some connection to the community as it were. Lord knows that's the case with Esperanto. Each successive lesson should blow the learner's mind only slightly. I realize however that the tendency whould be to teach the whole scheme as a scheme, but the problem with that is that Lojban would for the most part be unuseable until the whole scheme was learned. One other problem with the schematic approach, some people start to get the idea that "hey, I like this but I think I know an even better way to express that" and launch a reform project rather than remain in the Lojban circle. -- Christopher Zervic, Esq. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.