From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Sep 16 08:58:27 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EGIbR-0004XR-1m for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:58:17 -0700 Received: from web81308.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.83]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EGIbO-0004XI-5W for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:58:16 -0700 Received: (qmail 40746 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2005 15:58:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20050916155809.40744.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.88.32.165] by web81308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:58:08 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:58:08 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: [lojban] Re: Wheels in my Head To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-archive-position: 10602 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Thanks for the list; it is an interesting suggestion. Back when I was working with 11SD and 15SD we were after dodecimal (eventually hexagesimal) numerals and hex numerals. The approach then was (obviously) incremental: each successor number got a numeral with one more segment lit (keeping all the old ones). One upshot of that was the recognition that radically different shapes rather than just added complexity made for more recognizable characters. We were able to combine the two fairly well by adding segments in a way to make each successive character markedly different from others, though not alwys different enough. Taking those principles to 7SD (and adding binary numeration rather than simple count) gives, for example, the following (in standard alphabetic form and my decimalized binary) 0: G 8 (always on to provide a frame of reference for the other lines) 1: BG 40 (reversed upper L) 2: CG 36 (flip of above, 3: BCG 44 (right turned T), 4: FG 24 (upper L), 5 BFG 56 (upper square cup), 6 CFG 28 (left to right zig), 7: BCFG 58 (standard 4), 8 EG 10 (mirror of 2, flip of 4), 9 BEG 42 (right to left zag) A (10)CEG 14 (bottom cap), B (11) BCEG 46 (mirror h), C (12) EFG 26 (left T), D (13) BEFG 58 (mirror 4), E (14) CEFG 30 (h), F (15) BCEFG 62 (H). Of course, many other patterns along this line will work, including just using the bottom square CDEG (1,2,4,8) or the upper square, though both of these have problems with single lines floating free. --- Christopher Zervic wrote: > On 9/15/05, Brandon Wirick > wrote: > > > > I really am working on the program to > visualize 7SD characters in a > > Lojban context; don't anyone think I've put > that on the back-burner. I > > have, however, come up with yet another fun > and mostly useless idea. > > > > doi .uirik. > > .uisai Now you've got me on the 7SD tip. I went > ahead and made 7SD glyphs > for the base-16 numbers: > > http://www.geocities.com/illinois24/base16.jpg > > Explanation: > > dau - a lower case d > fei - a backwards F > gai - greek letter gamma > jau - resembles an uppercase J > rei - the closest to an R on 7SD (lower case r > would conflict with the gamma > for gai) > vai - I could have used U without conflict, but > I opted for a backwards 4 > instead. Looks a little like V if you squint > and shake your head a little. > -- > Christopher Zervic, Esq. > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.