From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Sep 15 18:23:24 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EG4wc-0007Sy-AY for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:23:14 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.205]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EG4wZ-0007Sq-Ra for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:23:14 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id k1so268895nzf for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:23:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PHBvQyz/jc2aKDuKwZCUdvSU50zvHFHrjWLtm0CLPNi05OhN7PjH4vsP0h73Zx69hOkkJAjc05GXiuH9auqG3Z3i76EWvu5C89QVRHjoY3zYzRQ1uDCxGGNEYNwftsGCvUowmgGBOrKnRHbCNhtm6IycfG87YJSMyfVEOzj4nGU= Received: by 10.36.96.3 with SMTP id t3mr165714nzb; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.36.8 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8f2fd4aa05091518236a87aeab@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:23:07 -0700 From: Brandon Wirick To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Wheels in my Head In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <8f2fd4aa05091500343852e987@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10605 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: brandon@yrick.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list 7SD gets in your head like an annoying song. It's a very limited medium, but it's fun to try to come up with solutions that make inherent, logical sense as well as provide mnemonic assistance to people who can't help but think in culture-filtered channels. Here's a fun challenge: design the glyphs so that all even numbers have an even number of segments and all the odd numbers have an odd number of segments lit. Zero is "right" because it has six segments, but one is "wrong" because it has two segments. (While we're at it, making unconventional but good representation systems, all glyphs should at least span the 7SD space horizontally and vertically to eliminate ambiguity, so the glyph for one should have some sort of horizontal segment in it.) In your system, which obviously relies heavily on classic 7SD digit representations, only 0, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 are "right" according to this challenge. An equally valid, but somewhat less intuitive challenge, would be to reverse the requirements: even numbers should all have an odd number of segments (or, since there are seven total, they should all lack an even number of segments.) Just food. I'll try to finish up my program soon. On 9/15/05, Christopher Zervic wrote: > On 9/15/05, Brandon Wirick wrote: > > I really am working on the program to visualize 7SD characters in a > > Lojban context; don't anyone think I've put that on the back-burner. I > > have, however, come up with yet another fun and mostly useless idea. > > > > doi .uirik. > > .uisai Now you've got me on the 7SD tip. I went ahead and made 7SD glyphs > for the base-16 numbers: > > http://www.geocities.com/illinois24/base16.jpg > > Explanation: > > dau - a lower case d > fei - a backwards F > gai - greek letter gamma > jau - resembles an uppercase J > rei - the closest to an R on 7SD (lower case r would conflict with the > gamma for gai) > vai - I could have used U without conflict, but I opted for a backwards 4 > instead. Looks a little like V if you squint and shake your head a little. > -- > Christopher Zervic, Esq. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.