From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Sep 29 12:56:03 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EL4VW-0007Uw-26 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:55:54 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EL4VS-0007Up-Ho for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:55:53 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so46591wri for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:55:48 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KbpROFgXCxx3p/8h/bSdUQI7ybfVHcFNnDi6xNteKvqFWEyos1oiAjc3Ic1vUlKefG4l+JuinfK3K8Ppt0t62EjPI079W8isq/7FgdO0+maS4HG8dmEmtxa07sS2TbYzy2S52XcARPmnQbJIpcoOXCOJFC+s8hWnpKbknMPSOg8= Received: by 10.54.15.31 with SMTP id 31mr629880wro; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.66.3 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d1756050929125558df82fe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:55:48 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: xorlo podcast In-Reply-To: <20050929170505.74951.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d175605092815537cb9a629@mail.gmail.com> <20050929170505.74951.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10677 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 9/29/05, John E Clifford wrote: > The technical details of prelo -- > admittedly a new term since I got tired of > writing "the previously acccepted version of > {lo}" I don't think there was any "previously accepted version of {lo}" other than CLL-lo. > but one introduced with what was in context > an adequate explanation -- were put up on the > wiki and xorxes commented on that paper > (http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Lojban%20Formulae) > in some detail. I do remember commenting on that page. I don't think anyone else gave any indication of having read it. > xorxes was active in the > creation of prelo and at one time seemed to say > he was using it (though I suspect that what he > was using was an early version of xorlo -- they > hard to tell apart except in details that may not > turn up for a while). Before xorlo, I used {lo'e} as the generic gadri, but {lo} always as in CLL {su'o lo}. I didn't go through any intermediate stage. Perhaps what you are remembering is my use of {lo'e}? > Indeed, my recollection is that the shift to > prelo took place before or soon after CLL > appeared (it existed in various forms for some > time before publication). I, on the other hand, don't think there ever was a shift away from CLL-lo to something that could be called prelo, unless you are talking of my use of {lo'e}. (Certainly there were people misusing CLL-lo all the time, but those were mistakes, not conscious usage of a different proposal.) > {lo broda} = {su'o lo ro broda} goes back to > Loglan (before 1975, probably before 1960, but I > can't check now). It probably dates from the start of Lojban. It's unlikely to be from Loglan because in Loglan there is nothing like CLL-lo. Loglan's {lo} is basically the same as xorlo (as in gavagai and Mr Rabbit). mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.