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From: John E Clifford <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [lojban] Re: tense and negation
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--- Cyril Slobin <slobin@sksys.net> wrote:

> coi rodo
> 
> Does among the multiple lojban negators exist
> one, wich, applying to 
> {pu}, yields {ca ja ba}? The sort of inversion
> of the time axis wanted.
> 
Scope problem.  Both tense and negation go just
before the selbri of a sentence and both are said
to have the whole as scope.  Which one is
outermost is unclear (a recurrent problem for
logicians).  However, you can be explicit by
fronting the forms and arranging them in order
{naku pu} vs {pu naku} (or some such). {punai}
also parsed in the old days, though what it means
exactly is less than obvious. 



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