From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Oct 28 12:07:17 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EVZZC-00039j-Lp for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:07:08 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.195]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EVZZ7-00039O-4n for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:07:06 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so259828wri for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:07:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=h0D5ja6NEfCHI2zmPCVR8W2YSkw9jA3++/3njh/Iu7ob5jcrVEOwXp3UsbsA2/1RgEfqAYNNmOitm8Ikw66LO0Meoa2NBwRfCIpYj9bkuRISPCNTL0GXSlTKQ0su9JN3TmxVzKkuK/JeHky1sdJp5omfH7vmUyvGJoEqCHLrCI0= Received: by 10.54.99.6 with SMTP id w6mr290349wrb; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.66.3 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560510281207g5c66eb65jc524dc783c7b8bd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:07:00 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: citri lo glibau In-Reply-To: <12d58c160510280915x764d9b8du4ba3f9a68d9742e1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <12d58c160510280915x764d9b8du4ba3f9a68d9742e1@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 10735 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list > komfo,amonan > bE,o,uulf. The phonotactics of Lojban, especially as it concerns names and fu'ivla, is not something fully settled yet, so take this comment with a grain of salt. In "normal" lojban words (gismu, lujvo, cmavo) two vowels cannot appear next to each other unless one of them is i/u acting as a semi-vowel/semi-consonant/diphthong component. The apostrophe and the "pause" were in fact introduced to prevent this kind of collision occurring (inside a word or between two words respectively, so I think they could be considered as two allophones of the same phoneme, but that's beside the point). When lojbanizing a foreign word or name, I think this feature should be preserved. I don't think {o,a} or {e,o} are difficult to pronounce, both actually occur in Spanish so they are easy for me, but I don't think they fit with Lojban phonotactics. They won't be allowed if my proposed phonology becomes official. A possible form for those names would be {komfo'amonan} and {bE'ouulf}. I also dislike irregular stress, so I would choose {beuulf} or {be'ouulf} instead of {bE'ouulf}, but this is an even more personal preference). mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.