From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Nov 07 07:58:46 2005
Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 07 Nov 2005 07:58:46 -0800 (PST)
Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54)
	id 1EZ9OI-0000Pr-P3
	for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 07:58:38 -0800
Received: from web81307.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.82])
	by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.54)
	id 1EZ9OG-0000Pk-QP
	for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 07:58:38 -0800
Received: (qmail 83418 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Nov 2005 15:58:35 -0000
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws;
  s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net;
  h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding;
  b=W8snjAOllohIBnfuilaPc66cTJeLuxWR+bf+N42NpNVBFbRm6JF0ZNJFfsLyssVYjtzz5naD0R5EiEF+5Pi4/ZnBs7FUiQYMJDwcxeDaeCgTUzh0DLeSCTRAidS2aOojevea02xCF17iiKJp5qoNdATo8XrKFx7Fp1NIEw0DMy4=  ;
Message-ID: <20051107155835.83416.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com>
Received: from [68.88.34.50] by web81307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 07:58:34 PST
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:58:34 -0800 (PST)
From: John E Clifford <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [lojban] Re: Exact translation of the pronoun "we"
To: lojban-list@lojban.org
In-Reply-To: <1487208813.20051107212945@mail.ru>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/)
X-archive-position: 10758
X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org
Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org
X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net
Precedence: bulk
Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org
X-list: lojban-list

--- Yanis Batura <ybatura@mail.ru> wrote:

> Dear Lojbanists,
> 
> is there an EXACT translation of English
> pronoun "we"
> (the semantics of which is something like:
> me, the speaker, and AT LEAST one other person
> somehow related to me)?

mORE IMPORTANTLY, SOMEHOW RELATED TO THE PRESENT
CONVERSATION 
> neither mi, nor mi'e do fit:
> 
> mi        
> KOhA3    
> me
> pro-sumti: me/we the speaker(s)/author(s);
> identified by self-vocative
> 
> mi'a
> KOhA3
> we, not you
> pro-sumti: me/we the speaker(s)/author(s) &
> others unspecified, but not you, the listener
> 
> 
> we can see from these definitions that both mi
> and mi'a could mean "me", which is far from
> what "we" means :)



To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org
with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.