From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Dec 06 12:19:15 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:19:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EjjHG-0007Wp-IA for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:19:06 -0800 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EjjHE-0007Wc-CJ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:19:06 -0800 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n1so165854nzf for ; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:19:02 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Hdfy6GHeAiEQiSFJgcA5P6GOXozsEM2DNFS2DlAKh4K0tE5imF4brrJndrGQnRw/IpdxGkPuXdrQrNR+amkVyXuzRrkYAGoiKOMEWptFrtkujwc8Ccm64xPyfmEdrLbcVTKFRE3J28Yxi6blJkI/xdoLyuM+7Pi4Is4OmluoMg4= Received: by 10.64.249.4 with SMTP id w4mr961885qbh; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 12:19:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.40.15 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:19:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <55b258c20512061219me71adbcyc207b98951edf960@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:19:02 -0600 From: Craig Daniel To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: logo In-Reply-To: <20051206200305.39766.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <55b258c20512061132m4d5bd5eawaf73523316f6b6d8@mail.gmail.com> <20051206200305.39766.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 10839 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: craigbdaniel@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list >> > Ah, but many of them developed SVO order >> > independently; it wasn't >> > inherited from PIE. Anglo-Saxon was a VO >> > language, but Latin was >> > primarily OV; this order remains in certain >> > situations in Spanish, >> > which is a default VO language. >> >> "Independently" does not make much sense in a >> place as small as Europe or as full of constantly >> marauding bands. To be sure, it is not clear True, but it's hard to argue that Germanic languages had nearly as much influence on Spanish as, say, Arabic. What's the word order in Arabic, anyway? >> > OTOH, my Lojban uses SOV order a bit more than >> > is typical. >> >> Interesting. Have you had any problems with >> this? VSO gets incomprehension at least occasionally. I've yet to have any Lojban conversations face to face, but on IRC I tend to be understood. However, when a sentence gets unweildy, I consistantly revert to the standard SVO order, which probably helps comprehension a fair amount. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.