From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Dec 07 04:59:18 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 07 Dec 2005 04:59:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1Ejyt0-0001O6-No for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 04:59:06 -0800 Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.4] helo=imo-m23.mail.aol.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Ejysw-0001Nj-Oz for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 04:59:05 -0800 Received: from MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id d.1e8.4803750b (18251) for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:58:55 -0500 (EST) From: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Message-ID: <1e8.4803750b.30c8368f@wmconnect.com> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:58:55 EST Subject: [lojban] Re: lojban-list Digest V4 #255 To: lojban-list@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e8.4803750b.30c8368f_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 for Windows XP sub 52 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-archive-position: 10844 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --part1_1e8.4803750b.30c8368f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/7/2005 4:23:12 AM Central Standard Time, ecartis@digitalkingdom.org writes: > On the 9other hand, many European > languages do have a common SOV pattern -- with > pronoun objects for example. But the term SOV (and the five other permutations of S, V, and O) are the *basic* order. The order with pronouns is secondary and does not count toward making the language SOV. French, for instance, is SVO, despite the fact that object pronouns usually precede the verb. stevo --part1_1e8.4803750b.30c8368f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message=20= dated 12/7/2005 4:23:12 AM Central Standard Time, ecartis@digitalkingdom.org= writes:


On the 9other hand, many Eu= ropean
languages do have a common SOV pattern -- with
pronoun objects for example.  
But the term SOV (and the five other permutations of S, V, and O) are th= e *basic* order.  The order with pronouns is secondary and does not cou= nt toward making the language SOV.  French, for instance, is SVO, despi= te the fact that object pronouns usually precede the verb.

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