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On 12/15/05, John E Clifford <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> After (probably immediately) first arguments,
> immediately before others but also in compound
> predicates at the appropriate places around the
> predicate (hard to state clearly which probably
> means it still has bugs in it).

Yes it does. You would basically have the same situation
as now, except that you would put the mark at the back
of the sumti instead of at the front.

Consider a simple example:

  ko'a ko'e ko'i broda gi'e brode vau fo'a fo'e fo'i

Suppose you want to mark broda as distributive for ko'e
and non-distributive for fo'e, and brode as non-distributive
for ko'e and distributive for fo'e. Where do the marks go?

One solution would be to have the marks on the selbri, with
an indication of which place it applies to, either a subindex
or a different word for each place. Alternatively, you can
mark it on the sumti with an indication of which selbri it
corresponds to. Either way is cumbersome.

>  I suspect that any solution is going
> to have some problems but overall the UIish one
> seems simplest and is more uniform (and has fewer
> odd ontological suggestions).

Ulish?

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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