From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jan 09 07:27:16 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 07:27:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Evyv5-0000ew-Ss for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 07:26:52 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.200]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Evyv2-0000eo-LG for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 07:26:51 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i30so1564854wra for ; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 07:26:47 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Bkr3tciU+BVE/YVt1u7hUxehmhDWYOy8tSfLAtohmHqVa7sOGPjZIBMnpTjkHrTHGyn2ZqKOuqnFgVK9tC+3HtldgliXZrZFFP2FyKuzk5ZBncDfxOJSbpal1DbAqCsGce8lO4U2dOu1JhYTmAiJYsPnpn1LL5I2fsY985/F028= Received: by 10.54.115.5 with SMTP id n5mr4036445wrc; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 07:26:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.126.11 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:26:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560601090726o37ee473dm200c8f9071e92cb2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:26:46 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: stage 1 and 2 non-fu'ivla In-Reply-To: <43C25AF8.2050102@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060105063129.GY3931@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <43C06EED.5010501@lojban.org> <925d17560601080731t6b8d0742h26f87aa35292f1b6@mail.gmail.com> <200601081311.40773.phma@phma.hn.org> <43C25AF8.2050102@lojban.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11020 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 1/9/06, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > Pierre Abbat wrote: > > {le damba cu me ky.obu le bradi} "The fighter KOed the opponent". > > That one would technically work for me with a fi to push le bradi after > the aspect place, though I still would prefer a tag, especially since it > would be an equally valid "borrowing" to say > > "le bradi cu me ky.obu ri'a tu'a le damba. > > "knocked out" being both a transitive verb and a stative adjective > applying to the object of that verb afterwards. Ugh! What fu'ivla stage uses pronouns as borrowings? The canonical stages would give something like: Stage-1: me la'o gy K.O. gy Stage-2: me la keioz Stage-3: darxrkeio Stage-4: ??? That is, assuming Stage-1 and Stage-2 are at all usable for borrowing verbs (which is very iffy) and that the verb KO would make a good candidate for borrowing at all (very iffy as well). {me ky obu} to me would have a very different meaning. For example: la katis ogorman cu melbi ninmu i ju'i do tu me ky obu "Katty O'Gorman is a beautiful woman. Look, that's her!" mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.