From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jan 11 02:03:39 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:03:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ewcp0-0001vC-0R for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:03:14 -0800 Received: from jellyfish.mweb.co.za ([196.2.50.75]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ewcow-0001v1-Rf for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:03:13 -0800 Received: from jellyfish.mweb.co.za (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwfilter01.mweb.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB5740352 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:03:01 +0200 (SAST) Received: from Debug (air.mweb.co.za [196.2.53.154]) by jellyfish.mweb.co.za (Postfix) with SMTP id 41F1140D26 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:03:01 +0200 (SAST) To: lojban-list@lojban.org From: jewel@pixie.co.za Subject: [lojban] Re: A Lojban Game Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:02:56 GMT X-Posting-IP: 203.144.240.245 via 189.2.255.60 X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.2.19 Message-Id: <20060111100301.41F1140D26@jellyfish.mweb.co.za> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-archive-position: 11037 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jewel@pixie.co.za Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Being able to estimate one's proficiency and being able to see the results of one's hard work would be a great way to encourage people to learn lojban. I've certainly seen this in the game of Go and in some martial arts. The ranking systems used there reward one for putting effort into learning and mastering the various skills and techniques required by those arts. In those systems it's hardly ever meaningful to compare the top two or the top few individuals. There is no overall "winner". The aim is really to be able to assess what skill level a student/practitioner has, and to then teach him/her the appropriate material to advance to the next level. Sometimes there is no "curriculum" and a student only advances by showing himself to be equal to those at higher levels ... For the lojban community I suggest that ideally there should be a strong connection between the teaching/learning material and the tests that award someone a ranking. For the higher level lojbanists maybe they could assess each other's ability and rank themselves (with some kind of voting system like the one suggested). It would great if this system could award points to those who help construct it .. so that the people who create the tests and do all the hard work of connecting it with the learning material demonstrate themselves be to experts and earn a high rank. John Leuner > On 1/10/06, Yanis Batura wrote: > > 10.01.2006, 21:31 Matt Arnold wrote: > > > > > The second kind is the timed challenge, which perhaps can be > > > implemented on the MOO, in the style of a game show where the contest > > > is to come up with the best translation that we can in a limited time> .. > > > The translations would not be ideal but would more closely reflect > > > proficiency in spoken Lojban. > > > > Do we really need estimating proficiency of Lojban speakers? As Cpt. Mi> ller said, "Our > > mission is to win the war", or, in other words, our mission is to > > develop Lojban. At this stage at least. In the first kind of game, the > > winner is who has most contributed to development of Lojban, not the > > most proficient speaker. > > > > mi'e .ianis. > > > > We don't need to estimate proficiency of speakers. But it's fun. > -epkat > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.or> g > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using M-Web Airmail - JUST LIKE THAT Get an SMS sent to your phone when you receive an email and save time and money. M-Web members only. http://mweb.co.za/mobile . To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.