From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jan 11 07:18:32 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:18:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ewhjq-0002b6-45 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:18:14 -0800 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.194]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ewhjm-0002ay-Nk for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:18:13 -0800 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r28so174373nza for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:18:09 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VZtPGe4I/aJP9bCdsxg8JmkqYiBg/0Q4NLxRfdpW1G1Unj+/mAzTHZSxpwc5xFIGQWJcpgaJTVpF/1I2dh0BDh9KEHEDXCiI5bv3f7DkuQX0ncAtWLTLTTRCyXxFm3nKpOgU56xzQ7g1jknQB9fe9G2cWwR6Dx/T3C4NMNjHddo= Received: by 10.65.105.1 with SMTP id h1mr269661qbm; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:18:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.110.14 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:18:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:18:07 -0500 From: Matt Arnold To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: A Lojban Game In-Reply-To: <20060111100301.41F1140D26@jellyfish.mweb.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060111100301.41F1140D26@jellyfish.mweb.co.za> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 11038 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list John understands. I put a lot of work into learning Lojban, and want to measure results. If I could qualify for the equivalent of a karate brown belt certification, I would want to receive it. -epkat On 1/11/06, jewel@pixie.co.za wrote: > Being able to estimate one's proficiency and being able to see the results of one's hard > work would be a great way to encourage people to learn lojban. I've certainly seen this in > the game of Go and in some martial arts. The ranking systems used there reward one for > putting effort into learning and mastering the various skills and techniques required by > those arts. > > In those systems it's hardly ever meaningful to compare the top two or the top few > individuals. There is no overall "winner". > > The aim is really to be able to assess what skill level a student/practitioner has, and to > then teach him/her the appropriate material to advance to the next level. > > Sometimes there is no "curriculum" and a student only advances by showing himself to be > equal to those at higher levels ... > > For the lojban community I suggest that ideally there should be a strong connection > between the teaching/learning material and the tests that award someone a ranking. For the > higher level lojbanists maybe they could assess each other's ability and rank themselves > (with some kind of voting system like the one suggested). > > It would great if this system could award points to those who help construct it .. so that > the people who create the tests and do all the hard work of connecting it with the > learning material demonstrate themselves be to experts and earn a high rank. > > John Leuner > > > On 1/10/06, Yanis Batura wrote: > > > 10.01.2006, 21:31 Matt Arnold wrote: > > > > > > > The second kind is the timed challenge, which perhaps can be > > > > implemented on the MOO, in the style of a game show where the contest > > > > is to come up with the best translation that we can in a limited > time> .. > > > > The translations would not be ideal but would more closely reflect > > > > proficiency in spoken Lojban. > > > > > > Do we really need estimating proficiency of Lojban speakers? As Cpt. > Mi> ller said, "Our > > > mission is to win the war", or, in other words, our mission is to > > > develop Lojban. At this stage at least. In the first kind of game, the > > > winner is who has most contributed to development of Lojban, not the > > > most proficient speaker. > > > > > > mi'e .ianis. > > > > > > > We don't need to estimate proficiency of speakers. But it's fun. > > -epkat > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > lojban-list-request@lojban.or> g > > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using M-Web Airmail - JUST LIKE THAT > Get an SMS sent to your phone when you receive an email and save time and money. > M-Web members only. http://mweb.co.za/mobile . > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.