From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Feb 27 11:55:44 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:55:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FDoSp-000338-V6 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:55:24 -0800 Received: from web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FDoSo-000330-VZ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:55:23 -0800 Received: (qmail 53324 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Feb 2006 19:55:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3BijMRek3y4TKa2043djZGPPsXgSyVR9bc59eXffuqWnhIw9exe12UR9yu8e3qvuq37Oq9coyJS71XbvJh4r4N7/t87taoisZvMIBTRDDGQ/l49b8snXmvcT9fEJEz0rxX8FGYx7anPaNF/IibHkNMTpkzrKAAC3nGoDLBKPZSQ= ; Message-ID: <20060227195520.53322.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.230.158.161] by web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:55:20 PST Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:55:20 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Subject: [lojban] Re: {bapli} and agentive compulsion To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <12d58c160602271034t3df1319atfcbb725759b8c8a5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-archive-position: 11136 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list 3: {tu'a la ben bapli ...}; this is 1 in principle, but shorter and stresses Ben's role. --- Adam COOPER wrote: > coi ro do > I've got an example sentence: "Ben forces Sean > to leave." > To express simple agentive compulsion using > bapli (x1 [force] (ka) > forces/compels event x2 to occur; x1 determines > property x2 to manifest) is > it best to > > 1. be true to the definition along the lines > of { lo ka la ben kakne > cu bapli lo nu la con cliva } > 2. cheat along the lines of { la ben bapli > lo nu la con cliva } > 3. something else I'm overlooking ? > > i ki'e mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.