From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Feb 27 14:05:36 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:05:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FDqUY-0004xT-NQ for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:05:18 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.205]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FDqUW-0004xF-Pr for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:05:18 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i24so948157wra for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:05:15 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LjzQRi5/v92MWD/Sa0pinDz7FikAXpVFzamtwVeGLhP/TUfRZ4HIIckpyAxAHXC465ZXi8ny1mBOG/MTivXFUj4ODZQ+ktXFclZQDBj8lLbiMvXRLFCjfb0Z4yGkhqOi7eqsBGQ1rhRZpk14oVI17lEZa0jXLoQk6+a56b+KpUU= Received: by 10.54.112.1 with SMTP id k1mr4849075wrc; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:05:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.69.3 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:05:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560602271405u119a9770yfa3b6d3eb27205f5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:05:15 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: {bapli} and agentive compulsion In-Reply-To: <12d58c160602271034t3df1319atfcbb725759b8c8a5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <12d58c160602271034t3df1319atfcbb725759b8c8a5@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 11138 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 2/27/06, Adam COOPER wrote: > coi ro do > I've got an example sentence: "Ben forces Sean to leave." > To express simple agentive compulsion using bapli (x1 [force] (ka) > forces/compels event x2 to occur; x1 determines property x2 to manifest) is > it best to > > be true to the definition along the lines of { lo ka la ben kakne cu bapli > lo nu la con cliva } (Do you mean {zukte} rather than {kakne}?) How would a property force Sean to leave? If anything it would seem an event (nu) would go there rather than a property (ka). > cheat along the lines of { la ben bapli lo nu la con cliva } That's how I would say it. If that is cheating, then Lojban can't be spoken without cheating. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.